TYPE 212 Fans Rejoice!

[Torpedochief]

http://bubbleheads.blogspot.com/2006/04 ... ecord.html (http://bubbleheads.blogspot.com/2006/04/diesel-sub-sets-record.html)

[Gerwalk]

http://bubbleheads.blogspot.com/2006/04 ... ecord.html (http://bubbleheads.blogspot.com/2006/04/diesel-sub-sets-record.html)

Quote from the news linked in the link posted:
<One of Germany's crack new fuel-cell-powered submarines has set a world record with a two-week-long dive, the German Navy said Wednesday.

The trip by the U212A-class sub with a crew of 27 from Eckernfoerde in Germany to Rota in Spain involved the longest period that any non-nuclear vessel had ever spent under water.> end of quote

Amazing! It was predicted by design but this is the real thing.

It's funny to read the comments of RADM William Hilarides (Hilarious?) saying that a US built diesel sub would cost $1billon these days!! :lol: when the cost of a Type 212 is about half of that....

I have to agree with him: just look at the cost (over $300 millions!) of the Advanced Seal Delivery System (ASDS) and how it ended in just one mini-sub. just a little overpriced :shock:

thanks for posting Don!

Steve

[Aeroengineer1]

Well there are small projects that people seem to think that they can use the funding for other "projects." Ever wonder where the money comes from to build our top secret stuff?

Adam

[Gerwalk]

That's true Adam but I also think that the current shipbuilding corporate structure in the US is prone to inflate prices. There is no actual competition between shipbuilders.


From an year old article from DefenseTech:
"Shipbuilding costs "have spiraled out of control," the Navy's top admiral, Vern Clark, told Congress last week, rising so high that "we can't build the Navy that we believe that we need in the 21st century."

http://www.defensetech.org/archives/001497.html

Well here's a good case of why employers today love to use the phrase, "You want too much money for your skills. You are souly to blame for for outsourcing".

Steve

[Aeroengineer1]

We have done it to ourselves. Labor unions have solved all the true labor issues of safety and other things, and perhaps they had their purpose at one time or another, but just like taxes, they do not go away. Labor unions have had to find ways to justify their existence. By demanding more pay for the workers, it had priced American labor out of the market.

Adam

[John Anderson]

We have done it to ourselves. Labor unions have solved all the true labor issues of safety and other things, and perhaps they had their purpose at one time or another, but just like taxes, they do not go away. Labor unions have had to find ways to justify their existence. By demanding more pay for the workers, it had priced American labor out of the market.

Adam

I feel you are unjustly blaming American workers for our business woes. I can sight an actual real world breakdown of the cost of a PWA 4034 powerplant for a 747 777. This breakdown was given to my depratment in 1992.

Cost of complete engine delivered 4.5 million dollars
cost of labor plus health insurence costs 125,000
cost of transport to airframe builder 3500
cost of materials and tooling 1 million
Actual physical cost total of above 1,285,000
Balence of cost LIABILITY INSURENCE FOR THE ENGINE 3,215,000

Product liability insurence has driven the price of American made goods through the roof.
Another reason are frivalous suits aginst companies for peoples own dumb ass mistakes.
The McDonalds coffe case in point. This persons lawyer SUCCESFULLY proved that WATER BOILS at 250 degrees!!!!! An impossibilty at sea lvel pressure. Never mind this idiot had placed a foam cup between their legs and crushed it when they hit the brakes. Who pays? well consumers at Mc Donalds are the price of coffee went up there to cover the increased liablity insurence and the settlement.

Yet another case
GMC Yup good old General Motors. Never mind that they design and build the most bland cars on the market or the worst gas giuzzlers and sales are in the toilet. Oh no it can not be our lousy designs ( I can tall you first hand about one that cost me 4500 dollars to repair) or our vanilla styling. It's our Workers Fault!

I own a 2000 Chevy Blazer 4x4. On the fly 4x4 okay. I was up in the mountains watching my son compete in GS two years ago. Had to use the 4x4 drive to get around. We left the resort and got back on dry pavement and immeaditly shifted to two high. Indicator lite came on all was go go....
40 miles later my front axle seized for a split second on the passenger side. Luckily we manged to keep control and gopt to the side of the road.
When the nearest dealer inspected the vehicle the Vacum line that feeds vacumm to the axle in order to (get this) hold the shift cable and its asociated parts in place failed allowing one side to shift back into 4x4 and burn tall the bearings out in the front axle. Who in their right mind designs a system the needs engine Vacuum to hold a cable in place? No bolts no clips just vacuum! I'll tell you Saginaw gear works division of GMC.
Cost to replace front axle 4500 dollars!
Okay off my soap box
John

[tabledancer]

I would have told them to stick it in their ass and because GM says it`s a good thing it wouldn`t hurt them,"RITE".
TD

Lets face it guys. The bottom line is this. Paychecks are going down. Everything else needed to live a good life is going up. American jobs are vanishing bit by bit.

Now what ever you think it's just not fair. Is it?

Steve

[John Anderson]

TD
We went back and forth with this with GM. All they offered was a 2 grand rebate off a new truck. Yeah sure pal.
Nextt ime Diamler /Chrysler for sure love the Magnum all wheel drive R/T 300 plus horse s and 29 mpg got to love it! beats the hell out of the 16 the Blazer gets!
But I have other expenses coming up like a new prosthetic leg.
John

[tabledancer]

My wife drives a 2000 Saturn and we had some motor problems with the car.After it was repaired they tried to charge me for some parts which weren`t covered,so I told them to take the parts out because I didn`t ok them they said they couldn`t do that so I told them that the car would be struck by lighting right in front of their store and they would get the payment book in the mail they changed there mind.Now they won`t service the car any more but who cares it`s out of warranty now.
TD

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[John Anderson]

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I am refering to a surgery next month. I am losing my left leg above knee due to a major car wreck I had 4 years ago. The leg never healed properly and is beyond medical tachnology at this point to repair. I have had 7 major surgeries on it as it is. Very long story.
John

Good luck John.
I will think of you next month.

Are the complications due to a nosocomial infection ?

Antoine

[John Anderson]

No Antoine
Every test came back for infection. It's just that my left femur was shattered into well over large 24 pieces and many more small ones. The area it will not heal is right above the femur head at the knee. It is to screwed up for an artifical knee and they could put a rod from ankle to hip but we fly a lot and that's really out of the question, besides I couldn't snow ski again with it like that.
Call me stubborn but I am getting back on the slopes!

Not stubborn John. You know what you want and it requires a lot of courage in your case. Thumb up.

Shit John. That sucks! I use to make prosthetics for movies all the time for about 25 years. Wish I could help. Those bastards charge far to much money for what they do.

If it were me I'd make a casting off your leg before they remove it. Cast it in Roma plastilina and clean it up. Use the new silicones that last forever and look completely real in person. This way it would be highly accurate. In film it has to be. Hell I learned from the man that started it all. Or nearly. John Chambers. Got the first Academy award for prosthetic make-up with Planet of the Apes. But he started doing this work to help war victims of WW2. Later went on to work for the CIA. He was a good friend, a great American and I miss him.

I sure hope these over paid yahoos are better at it these days. For realism (from what I have seen) us movie boys could blow them away with one arm tied behind our backs and a quart of vodka! ;)

Steve

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[Old 8140]

John,

Been there done that!! No fun,but you can beat this! I just had a TKA on my right leg and I shall beat it also. Where and when are you going to have the surgery? Keep the faith and let old age and treachery be your guide thru this test. All the Doctors and theripits have said to me that they wish they could get some of the younger ones to stop feeling sorry for themselves. I talk to one of these younger guys when I'm doing my PT. His outlook has changed in the last few weeks.

Rember "Kick ASS and take names"

Best of luck to you and let me know if I can do anything for you,

Jim aka Old 8140

John,

Jim is right. And jim I always thought your signature was a joke. Sorry I didn't know but you tuff guys don't wine about your problems you just kick ass. At 54 I can learn a lot from you!

I have met many in my life with both legs that couldn't stand as proudly as you two do. Bravo Zulu!
steve

[John Anderson]

Thanks everyone.
It all started when a dumb ass kid from Massachusetts tuned to enter a side street while I was entering the intersection. Incidently this was a rural highway speed limit 60mph way out in the boonies where I was living at the time. This dipshit either didn't see me or didn't care. He was driving a fullsize GM product 4x4 pickup long bed and cab. I was driving my cherry 1989 Shelby Daytona. Next thing I know I am in the hospital waking up from emergency surgery to save my life. This is the nutshell version folks.

Now as far as this surgery goes it is taking place at Portsmouth Regional hospital in Portsmouth, NH. Lucky for me me sweetie is a Resource Nurse there on the surgical wing.
As far as hiding the fact I am going to be wearing a prosthetic I really don't care that it shows hell why be ashamed and cover it? People who have problems with handicaped are the same ones who have problems with other people for their differences in other words fucked up IMHO.
Hell I have an idea for a killer Ink for the stump when it heals!
Ah well enuff about me lets get back to boats!

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[magpie]

I hope your op goes well John!
I'm having a minor one soon and that's bad enough. Nothing like your's!!!!
All the best mate.
Jason